CHRIS KENNY: Mr Taylor, earlier today you were out and about, in the rural areas around Canberra announcing a clean energy policy and fund for farmers. It seems counter-intuitive given the current debates going on?

ANGUS TAYLOR: Well no, it's focused on energy efficiency, Chris, which is a big opportunity to get energy bills down. It happens, also, to reduce emissions, so it's good on two fronts. This is a focus on helping farmers with initiatives that can reduce their fuel bills, can reduce their energy bills. There is a whole lot of really practical things that farmers can do. This is some good work that has been done to support that, and of course alongside that, we're supporting small business and farmers through a program which allows them to tap into energy audits and small pieces of equipment which can help with that reduction in bills. So, look, practical things, whether it's a solar pump or precision agriculture. There's a lot of things farmers are doing right now to improve their energy efficiency, whether they're cane growers or dairy growers or more traditional, sheep and beef producers. There's lots that can be done and that's what we were focusing on.

CHRIS KENNY: Yeah, there's a lot going on here, both when it comes to climate and drought and when it comes to energy. That's why I just wanted to pick through it a little bit. Now this is more tax payer's money going to fund these energy efficiency measure as you say. Aimed at reducing our carbon footprint, aimed at Australia meeting its Paris targets. But I would have thought your central message before the election and in fact we keep hearing both yourself and Scott Morrison talk about this being your aim, and that is you to deliver cheaper electricity and more reliable electricity. Isn't that the focus of the Government rather than these renewable schemes?

ANGUS TAYLOR: That is absolutely a focus of the Government, Chris. There's no doubt about that, and you know, that's why we're underwriting new generation into the market place. That's why we've got a very strong focus on making sure our existing coal and gas fired baseload generators are going flat out. That's why we've put together a Liddell Taskforce. We've put in place the Retailer Reliability Obligation. All of these are initiatives-

CHRIS KENNY: [Interrupts] Just where are we with that new generation though? You're talking about underwriting it. When will decisions be made? When will the additional generation come into play? Because you must be worried about reliability, especially across south-east Australia, across this summer?

ANGUS TAYLOR: Well, there's two parts to this, Chris. One is new generation. It never comes into a place over night. It takes years to build new generators, but if we don't get started on it, it won't happen. That's why we have got started. We're down to a short-list of twelve and we're working through those. I've been out and about in recent weeks, actually looking at some of these projects on the ground. We'll finalise that in due course as quickly as we possibly can. In the shorter term of course, the crucial thing is to keep our existing generators going flat out in the market place. The Retailer Reliability Obligation is important to that, but so too are other initiatives. We've formed a taskforce, working closely with the New South Wales Government, with Liddell, to make sure that we keep Liddell in the marketplace for as long as we need it or we have like-for-like replacement of it. This is much more immediate of course and that immediate response is crucial - there's no doubt about it. In South Australia and particularly in Victoria, we've seen a government that has encouraged the premature closure of Hazelwood, has banned onshore gas exploration and has reckless targets for renewable investment. All of those things in combination are putting the Victorian grid at risk. It's at serious risk this summer. We've been calling that out. But in the mean time we will do everything in our power to make sure we've got the generation we need in the marketplace, where we've got collaborative State Governments to work with.

CHRIS KENNY: Well just firstly on the reliability issue. Do you concede though that if there are problems with brownouts, or blackouts, over the summer people are going to lash out at who is in government now? They are not going to want to know about what plans are afoot, they're going to blame you for not fixing that in the here and now, surely?

ANGUS TAYLOR: I can tell you that the fundamental problem we've got in Victoria is specific to Victoria. We don't have that same problem to the same degree in other states, perhaps the exception of South Australia. That had a South Australian Labor government go down similar pathways to what we are seeing in Victoria. When you prematurely close down power stations, when you ban onshore gas exploration and development, and when you set a reckless target to push more dispatchable baseload generation out of the marketplace, you're asking for trouble, Chris. You're asking for trouble. So we've been very clear on this. There's so much we can do as a Commonwealth Government. We have a New South Wales Government that is working with us collaboratively on Liddell, making sure we solve that problem. We're working very closely with South Australia, with Tasmania. But if you have policies that are as reckless as these, you're asking for it. The Victorian people, if they face blackouts this summer, and there's a very real risk of that occurring, should rightly say this is not good enough.

CHRIS KENNY: What's your advice on that? Just how likely are blackouts during extended hot spells in Victoria this summer?

ANGUS TAYLOR: It's a real risk. It's a real risk. There's no doubt about that. Just as we've seen real risks in Victoria, in South Australia that had very similar policies. The Weatherill government in South Australia had very similar policies. The current government is working hard to address those and making some good progress on that. We're working very, very closely with them on that, but there are very real risks in Victoria. We saw it in January this year, Chris. We saw blackouts in Victoria. So, there's every risk that we'll see the same again this summer.

CHRIS KENNY: Now, just also on price, do you sense that there's a frustration in the community? You're announcing last week that your initiatives on pricing had at least, according to the statistics delivered results, yet we saw a lot of response via talkback radio and the like where people were saying that's not their experience. People are still complaining about power bills going up, not down.

ANGUS TAYLOR: We are seeing on average, there's no question, power bills coming down, but the average doesn't replicate everyone's individual experience, of course, Chris, and that's where the frustrations come in for individuals. Look, the truth is that the standing offers have come down. There's no doubt about that. We're seeing really good competitive pressure coming from the second tier retailers. We'd like to see more competition coming from the top tier retailers. So the important thing is, have a look at the prices from your second tier retailers. We're seeing the gradual disappearance now, more than gradual, of the sneaky late payment penalties. People are paying penalties of up to 25 or 30 per cent for paying an hour late. Now, we're seeing that disappearing from the marketplace. There's more to do that, Chris. We know that. We absolutely understand that. I got to tell you, I am working on this, every day. It's a focus. We will keep working on it. There is more to do. All of these initiatives that I'm talking about: making sure we address the Liddell issue, making sure our existing coal and gas fired generators are going flat out. These are all crucial initiatives to put that downward pressure on prices and bringing forward the legislation we brought into the Parliament last week. You don't get investment in markets, you don't get competition without a proper competitive market. We haven't had a market that's been as competitive as it should be in electricity. So these are all focused in a very clear direction. Over time, I am absolutely sure they will continue to pay off as they're paying off for a good number of consumers now. We want to make sure it's true for all consumers.

CHRIS KENNY: A lot of pressure on you to make sure it pays off in a tangible and visible way for a lot of people before the next election.

ANGUS TAYLOR: Sure, absolutely, and I understand the importance of my role. I mean, I get when I get around and I talk to farmers and small business people how important this issue is, for big industry because they supply so many of their jobs particularly in regional areas. I fully understand how important this issue is, I got to tell you, Chris. I focus on it every single day. Look, there have been atrocious policies in the past. Reckless targets, in particular, have been central to putting us in this position and some very anti-competitive conduct that the ACCC has described as unacceptable and unsustainable, and we have to address that and I am addressing it, the Government is addressing it. We're working particularly with collaborative state governments to do that. That's a crucial part of the equation and it will continue to be a focus for the Government in the coming years.

CHRIS KENNY: Angus Taylor, you are probably aware that Labor are out there calling for your resignation again or for Scott Morrison to sack you over this grasslands issue. You've revealed that before you talked to the environment minister at the time, Josh Frydenberg, about grassland regulation, he was aware that you had a family interest in a particular parcel of land. I suppose the key question is - if he was aware, why wasn't it declared on your register of members' interests?

ANGUS TAYLOR: It was declared in accordance with the rules. I mean, I declared all my interests both to the Prime Minister and to the Parliament, and to the relevant Minister in accordance with the rules, Chris. There was no uncertainty about that. The Department understood that position. But look, the truth of the matter is that Terri Butler is embarrassing her leader by selling this smear campaign to him and she's embarrassing herself now. There is nothing new in this, I've said all of this in the Parliament in the past. The Labor Party right now Chris, they are all smear and no idea. They are embarrassed by their energy and climate policies they took to the last election. They couldn't detail those policies, the costs or the impacts of those policies. They continue to run around in circles on what their policies are now. We have no idea whether they're in favour of a carbon tax - they appear to be - what their targets should be, because frankly, it has been an abysmal policy failure for them. We are clear, we are unambiguous, we are implementing the initiatives from the last election. They don't like any of this. They'll continue to turn what should be a discussion about policy into a personal smear campaign, because that's all they've got Chris, that's all they've got.

CHRIS KENNY: Angus Taylor, I know you're busy and you've squeezed us in, I appreciate that. One last question if I may - the World Meteorological Organization, effectively the UN's weather organisation has said that climate change, global warming is happening at an increasingly rapid rate, that the effects of climate change are accelerating, in their latest report ahead of all the UN discussions this week. Does that match what you're being advised from Australian authorities? Are we seeing the effects of global warming accelerate in Australia in the here and now?

ANGUS TAYLOR: Look Chris, I've never doubted that our climate has been changing in recent years. You know, I farm and my family's farmed for many, many generations and we do think that there is some change in the weather patterns, there's no doubt about that. The crucial issue here though is what action should be taken and what impact can Australia have. It's a global problem, it requires a globally coordinated solution. We think we've got to do our bit, but as part of a globally coordinated solution. That means sensible policies that don't trash the economy, that do our bit and that's what we took the last election. I think the Australian people agreed that that's, well I know the Australian people agreed that that was the right approach. What we're not going to do is what Labor took to the last election which is about slashing jobs, slashing wages, slashing the economy without being upfront to the Australian people about those policies. We're not going to go down that path Chris.

CHRIS KENNY: Angus Taylor, thanks so much for joining us.

ANGUS TAYLOR: Thank you.